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  A Hard Question For Jehovah Witnesses To Answer

  by TheNurseInBlack in

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  2. bible

  which teachings did jesus/god approve when considering jehovah witnesses?.

  "since jehovah god and jesus christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?

  watchtower 2009 feb 15 p.27 how do we know that god and jesus christ trust them completly?

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  Muddy Waters

  Excellent quotes and references to WT articles worth knowing about! Thank you.
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  “Be obedient and decisive!” – Governing Body instructions to elders leaked on YouTube

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  2. beliefs

  http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/be-obedient-and-decisive-governing-body-instructions-to-elders-leaked-on-youtube.

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  Muddy Waters

  Did anybody notice in the clip with Anthony Morris, that when he pulled the bible off his well-polished book shelf, there were two busts or heads of ... well, whoever they were...? Isn't that supposed to be akin to creature worship or something??
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  The Atheist's Book of Bible Stories

  by RunningMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  over the years, i have posted all of the chapters from my atheist's book of bible stories on this site.. however, since the original posting, many of the chapters have been polished and updated.. the complete book is now available for downloading, if anyone is interested: http://www.sendspace.com/file/qwpjol.

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  Muddy Waters

  This looks like a great thread to bump again! Starting to read the PDF now, looks like an awesome, revealing and thoughtful read!
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  interview with an apostate: BIGMAC

  by bigmac in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  tell us a little about yourself and your family.. .i'm 65---divorced--3 grown up kids--7 ish grandchildren.

  were you a born in or a convert?.

  .not born in--dragged into it----aged 9--- by my late mother.

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  Muddy Waters

  That hit me hard, reading about your grandchildren :(

  Damn the WTS
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  Rebuttal to Governing Body member Anthony Morris

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  interesting video.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc1hi7s85ge.

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  Muddy Waters

  Nice work, Cedars! Good job, good rebuttal.
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  JWs Writers deserve to be in THE GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS!

  by abiather in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how many mistakes one can make in understanding a simple statement of jesus?

  take one sample statement:.

  i say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with abraham, isaac and jacob in the kingdom of heaven.

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  Muddy Waters

  Re: Mother Teresa. Take a look at Christopher Hitchen's book, The Missionary Position. Very interesting!
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  Witnesses: Why The 1/19/14 WT Lesson Is Dangerous

  by Apognophos in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  today's watchtower lesson touched on the history of hezekiah's reign, and then made a surprising modern-day application.

  having used my time before the meeting to research the underlying material instead of highlighting my magazine, i personally found this to be an upsetting study, and decided to put this warning here in the hopes that some active witnesses read it.. the most important thing i want to say to you is that the actual flow of events in this bible account were severely misrepresented, and that there are some disturbing implications in the distortions that were made.

  1. hezekiah's father ahaz makes himself a vassal to assyria out of fear of their overwhelming might (2 kings 16:7, 8).. 2. upon becoming king, hezekiah rebels against assyria (2 kings 18:7).

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  Muddy Waters

  This is such an excellent discussion!! Usually I am bored stiff by stuff like this, but you have presented this in such an interesting way!! I love how the points are broken down and compared, and unlike the dry WT, are actually compelling to read!! Thank you so much. You have made this absolutely fascinating!! This is what a real bible study should be -- comparing notes and commentaries, noting discrepancies, discussing alternate views, sharing additional information -- awesome!!
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  Do You Consider Yourself An "Apostate"?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i don't.. i consider myself a truth teller.. the watchtower society appears to be more "apostate" than even "christendom"..

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  Muddy Waters

  The word "apostate" used to be a terrible, frightening thing for me, conjuring images of dark, disturbed people lurking in bushes outside Kingdom Halls, ready to spiritually shipwreck my faith... How they would do this I didn't quite know, but somehow they would seek to carry me off as their prey and fill me with lies and twisted reasonings.... It was a brutal terrifying thing. To think that someone could leave Jehovah and turn upon their brothers and sisters!! How evil they must be!!

  Well, fast forward to today, lol. The word Apostate is a badge of honor to me now, knowing that I have consciously REJECTED the WTS's bullshit. It puts me in company with Jesus Christ, the Dali Lama, Bhudda, and other now-highly-esteemed people who rejected the common bull-pucky and taught about love and forgiveness and peace.

  I occasionally doodle the word "apostate" on paper and decorate it with flowers and curly-cues, lol. It is a beautiful word to me now. lol :)
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  Read a tribute to Ray and Cynthia Franz and leave your condolences at this webpage:

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. friends

  a webpage tribute to cynthia & ray can be found at http://www.commentarypress.com/.

  on the bottom of that webpage is a place that you can leave your condolences and thoughtful commentsfor the families of cynthia and ray.. for more information about cynthia's death, see http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/270338/1/cynthia-franz-died-december-29-2013#.utl16zdnbl8.

  barbara and joe.

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  Muddy Waters

  Thank you for posting this.
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  ARE YOU AN ANGRY and BITTER APOSTATE?

  by Hummingbird001 in

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  2. friends

  i have noticed that there are different reactions to learning the "truth about the truth".

  some become quite bitter and angry and become very activist.

  others seem to just move on quite easily.. .

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  Muddy Waters

  Your comments makes me think that you have no family members inside that religion.

  It it isn't just about lost years. Its about being shunned, it's about being hated for no other reason than you have a different belief than they do. Shunning hurts. The WT breaks up families. They take away a persons inheritance.

  What are the most important things in life? If you are a balanced person, probably your first answer would be "family and friends". Now comes along a cult who threatens to take that away from you. Your children. Your parents. Your grandparents. Siblings. Your spouse. The most important people in your life.

  It's also about screwing up your life and your children's lives, if you brought them up in that awful life-sucking religion. It's about a lot of things. Things which involve life's most precious assets' as Ray Franz so eloquently put it. Choice of spouse, whether or not to have children, the way you spend your time, what career choice or path you take, who you associate with, who you yourself shun because of your mind-controlled sorry state.... or if you saw or observed somebody in the congregation or your family die because they wouldn't accept blood.... Do you see? Are you beginning to understand?

  The WTS is not a benign religion or a group of outwardly smiling happy people, there are fangs and teeth and brass knuckles under all that synthetic polyester....